(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]
PW[wygc]PB[wygc]DT[2005-08-24]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: hi
OsoAgonar [13k\]: its a wygc game?
stalkor [2k?\]: give us a little background story:)
Pempu [2k\]: yeah someone needs to mark this as important game in egr
Pempu [2k\]: I hope antti plays in this
Pempu [2k\]: or maybe the korean guy vs the russian guy
wygc [-\]: Japan vs China
wygc [-\]: junior
Pempu [2k\]: aww
OsoAgonar [13k\]: wow
OsoAgonar [13k\]: china B?
Pempu [2k\]: bad luck on broadcasts here :(
stalkor [2k?\]: wygc, pm an admin
wygc [-\]: (Black) LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o. vs HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o.
OsoAgonar [13k\]: is china favourite, dont
OsoAgonar [13k\]: ?
]
;B[fg]CR[fg]C[stalkor [2k?\]: these young ones seem to start fighting early just like yesterday
OsoAgonar [13k\]: i like fight :)
]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[stalkor [2k?\]: ko?
grmaster [4k?\]: its such a joseki
stalkor [2k?\]: joseki?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: joseki?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: :|
Pempu [2k\]: it's a trick joseki according to joseki library
stalkor [2k?\]: no joseki, outcome will not be equal
OsoAgonar [13k\]: really?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: wow
elmo [8k\]: more info at http://wygc.aego.biz
stalkor [2k?\]: how much time does each player have?
Pempu [2k\]: K16 should be at F18
wygc [-\]: 1hour
stalkor [2k?\]: bit short
]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[grmaster [4k?\]: I saw sars played this joseki with yaoming once ^^
elmo [8k\]: games from senior players (under 18) are not broadcasted live, but you can find them at the web
grmaster [4k?\]: but it was abit differ
bv4 [5k?\]: this looks good for b?
]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[ff]CR[ff]C[grmaster [4k?\]: not too bad I would say
retinue [9k?\]: who plays
Pempu [2k\]: I don't know but the library stuff looks better for black
wygc [-\]: (Black) LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o. vs HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. 
]
;W[ih]CR[ih]C[DnF [6k\]: pempu what joseki dictionary do you use?
grmaster [4k?\]: fake eye is abit bad shape but dirrection is ok for B
HannaMecoe [4k\]: Hoshi is a good surname for a go-player...
]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[hg]CR[hg]
;W[ig]CR[ig]
;B[hj]CR[hj]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: i like white
]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[jj]CR[jj]
;B[il]CR[il]C[elmo [8k\]: someone tells me that the chines boy (black) is the next Lee Chang hoo
OsoAgonar [13k\]: y ese kien es?
grmaster [4k?\]: I like B here
]
;W[hk]CR[hk]C[grmaster [4k?\]: hum
grmaster [4k?\]: may be J8 was abit too agresive
grmaster [4k?\]: aggressive
]
;B[gk]CR[gk]C[Karl [10k\]: is this the japanese boy we saw yesterday?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: attack D12 group^^
]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[gl]CR[gl]
;W[hm]CR[hm]
;B[gm]CR[gm]C[elmo [8k\]: yes, same boy
]
;W[hn]CR[hn]C[Karl [10k\]: kthx
]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: B is really good
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cm]CR[cm]C[elmo [8k\]: and W :-)
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: :S they are 5 dan and 6 dan .. what did u expect? ;)
Karl [10k\]: real-life 5d and 6d, not kgs  ^ ^
]
;W[go]CR[go]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: sure 
OsoAgonar [13k\]: in kgs... about 9d?
elmo [8k\]: 5d in china, and 6d in japan 
OsoAgonar [13k\]: yea i know
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: 5d in china and probably 7dan in japan -.-
OsoAgonar [13k\]: ^^
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: i dont think a japanese 6dan could match a chinese 5dan
OsoAgonar [13k\]: poor W ^^
]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[fn]CR[fn]C[Karl [10k\]: i can still hear the korean kid giggling
]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[hq]CR[hq]C[zedi [19k\]: are these guys inseis?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: probably
Gorbyn [6k\]: looks like
Karl [10k\]: probably not
Karl [10k\]: i think inseis dont have ama-ranks, have they?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: probablz they are ... theyre 10n 11 y.o
Karl [10k\]: are inseis allowed at ama-tourneys`?
bv4 [5k?\]: cut at j9 starts to be interesting?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: no ama
Am [6d\]: for me the w has better.
Karl [10k\]: (seems kinda unfair)
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: well ... they arnt profs -.-
OsoAgonar [13k\]: it is the world young go championship^^
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: yeah
]
;W[ik]CR[ik]C[elmo [8k\]: the chinese boy lives with they pro senseis, i thing
bv4 [5k?\]: )
OsoAgonar [13k\]: is not an amateur championship^^
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: it is -.-
Am [6d\]: J9 is it good?
wygc [-\]: yes it is
elmo [8k\]: yuo can search his names in google,, lot information in internet :-)
]
;B[eq]CR[eq]C[elmo [8k\]: *you
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: wygc ... could u tell me the url of ur hp?
MysticoN [14k\]: who is playing ?
grmaster [4k?\]: B is loosing abit now I think
elmo [8k\]:  (Black) LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o. vs HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o.
]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[MysticoN [14k\]: thnx
MysticoN [14k\]: only 11 years old  and 10 years old ?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: jep
elmo [8k\]: yes
MysticoN [14k\]: cool ^^
Gorbyn [6k\]: ^-)
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: jep
elmo [8k\]: World Youth Go Championship
grmaster [4k?\]: Q6 now?
]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[gj]CR[gj]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[grmaster [4k?\]: wow
grmaster [4k?\]: W protects his pts instead
OsoAgonar [13k\]: komi 8... what happen if nobody wins?
Am [6d\]: w playes too calm....
wygc [-\]: black wins ties
Gorbyn [6k\]: seems bad move
bv4 [5k?\]: w counting his chickens already?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: thanks
MysticoN [14k\]: weird komi
]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: i think white did really well the last moves oO
Nu0li [2k\]: so it's in practical 7,5
wygc [-\]: no, not so weird
Pinguschaf [4d\]: ing rules
OsoAgonar [13k\]: big^^
MysticoN [14k\]: it should be 7.5
Pempu [2k\]: ING rules are well weird
K3NNiE [3k?\]: (Black) LIAO XING WEN, China (5d).11y.o vs HOSHI TAKAYUKI, Japan (6d).10 y.o.
Pinguschaf [4d\]: white punished black´s overplays really well
forFun [?\]: why is time standing still?
wygc [-\]: don't know
Pempu [2k\]: pingu really?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: u dont think so?^^
RingoFett [11k\]: coz we are all travelling at light speed?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: so what is c7 doing there?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: and j8
K3NNiE [3k?\]: w area got nice pts
Pempu [2k\]: I like blacks position better
OsoAgonar [13k\]: me too
OsoAgonar [13k\]: ^^
Pempu [2k\]: but hmm true white has alot of territory
forFun [?\]: is this live?
Karl [10k\]: yes
wygc [-\]: yes live from barcelona
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Karl [10k\]: from the palace ballroom las vegas *tadaaa*
forFun [?\]: then why time not moving
OsoAgonar [13k\]: ...
bv4 [5k?\]: b can still cut at J10 isn't it?
Karl [10k\]: its hard to play syncronous to the players on their wood-board anyway, so the time displayed wont be accurate
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[on]CR[on]C[MysticoN [14k\]: unnless they make a electronic go board connected to the computer ^^
]
;W[kp]CR[kp]C[MysticoN [14k\]: haha
Karl [10k\]: ^ ^ unless then, yes
]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[forFun [?\]: who is US playing in this round?
]
;W[mp]CR[mp]C[Karl [10k\]: gnugo ;)
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[grmaster [4k?\]: huge
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[grmaster [4k?\]: B yose is realy good
wygc [-\]: singapore
forFun [?\]: great
dotAz [1d\]: black is singapore?
Karl [10k\]: -_-
]
;B[ol]CR[ol]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: its not yose yet
Karl [10k\]: ~_~
grmaster [4k?\]: B has to reduce W center influence now
wygc [-\]: (Black) LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o. vs HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. 
Pinguschaf [4d\]: maybe r2 now
Pinguschaf [4d\]: r3
myao [9d?\]: hmm......
grmaster [4k?\]: yeah W has to do somthing already
forFun [?\]: US has great chance for semifinals
kanmuri: why not somethin like Q18?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: u can live in there ...??
forFun [?\]: are you sure US is playing SG?
forFun [?\]: they already played 
forFun [?\]: 3rd round
wygc [-\]: us junior?
wygc [-\]: or senior?
forFun [?\]: junior
Am [6d\]: looks like b has better now....
dotAz [1d\]: lol
wygc [-\]: russia
dotAz [1d\]: junior is my noob bro
kanmuri: maybe if w attack from M16, Q18 could work out..
forFun [?\]: how much time do they have left?
wygc [-\]: black 44mins
wygc [-\]: and white i don't know
zedi [19k\]: why do they use SD time?
wygc [-\]: i can't see his clock
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[grmaster [4k?\]: wow
eristoff [7k\]: do a substraction :P
wygc [-\]: cause ing rules
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[MysticoN [14k\]: good move :P)
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[MysticoN [14k\]: :)
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: -.-
grmaster [4k?\]: B top was too big
Pinguschaf [4d\]: k15
]
;B[je]CR[je]C[forFun [?\]: w 74 was too slow
MysticoN [14k\]: hm
Pinguschaf [4d\]: i dont think m17 was a good point there
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[grmaster [4k?\]: W has to sacrifice those guys
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[forFun [?\]: w is losing, desperate now
MysticoN [14k\]: he must prolly sacrifice J15 
grmaster [4k?\]: top is more urgent
bv4 [5k?\]: b seems rather thin anyway
bv4 [5k?\]: or not?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: not really ...
Zepedeus: j15 is only like 10 points in gote
Karl [10k\]: i take the 'or' option
MysticoN [14k\]: yes'
MysticoN [14k\]: Black will maybe take it later
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: jose ...
Am [6d\]: M17 wasn't good....
Pinguschaf [4d\]: yes
]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[forFun [?\]: w has no choice but to look for trouble
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[MysticoN [14k\]: ouch
Am [6d\]: i don't think w repair his position....
Gorbyn [6k\]: O18 ?
MysticoN [14k\]: white is weak all over
MysticoN [14k\]: at top
MysticoN [14k\]: hm
MysticoN [14k\]: P17 Q17 O18 Q18 N18  ?
Gorbyn [6k\]: =))))))))
Nu0li [2k\]: can r18 instead of q17
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: and if i play q18?
TonyTiger [4k\]: why didn't I start playing go when I was under 10 years old :(
Nu0li [2k\]: yes q18*
MysticoN [14k\]: how old are u tony ?
kanmuri: b would Q18 and not Q17
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[atlans [5d?\]: :)
atlans [5d?\]: tony 50 yo :D
Zepedeus: horrible for w
Gorbyn [6k\]: =)
MysticoN [14k\]: ^^
Dita [6k\]: I learned it at age of 21 or so
TonyTiger [4k\]: 21yo
Nu0li [2k\]: TonyTiger, because it was such a fun to play with toycars etc.
Gorbyn [6k\]: hi Dita :-)
MysticoN [14k\]: the limit is 30 or so to be pro ^^
Dita [6k\]: hello
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[forFun [?\]: why no senior games broadcasted?
]
;B[na]CR[na]C[Nu0li [2k\]: I've tried to teach my 8-year-old brother, but he cant consentrate :P
MysticoN [14k\]: ^^
elmo [8k\]: senior players record his own game after each round, not enoght recorders, i think :-)
Pempu [2k\]: nuoli keep trying
Pempu [2k\]: he will be future finnish champion
]
;W[jf]CR[jf]C[Nu0li [2k\]: all the time, Pempu
zedi [19k\]: hehe
]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[MysticoN [14k\]: P14 
bv4 [5k?\]: try with candy's :-)
zedi [19k\]: ive been trying to teach my 20 years old friends but they cant concentrate either :)
]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[lf]CR[lf]C[Nu0li [2k\]: atleast he would be motivated to kill then.
Plunder2 [15k\]: and afdter he turns 18 play the game with vodka and dropshots
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[Pade [12k?\]: if you capture my group you can eat it ! :)
kenjib [17k\]: loll zedi
zeeke [10k\]: smarties.. and you get to eat the captures..
TonyTiger [4k\]: I tried to teach my little brother but I couldn't concentrate
MysticoN [14k\]: easier for people outside Asia to become pro than people from Asia
grmaster [4k?\]: W is going to cry soon like Toya Akira ^^
]
;B[rh]CR[rh]C[Dita [6k\]: :>>>
Plunder2 [15k\]: toya akira?
MysticoN [14k\]: from hikaru no go
Plunder2 [15k\]: argh
Karl [10k\]: yah, that black haired she-male
Kuudee [12k\]: Mysticon: how you becom Pro in finland :D:D:?
Plunder2 [15k\]: only seen the first 9 episodes
]
;W[ri]CR[ri]C[Plunder2 [15k\]: akira = green haired
MysticoN [14k\]: u must get sponsored and go to Asia
zeeke [10k\]: he's cried already then..
Karl [10k\]: :D true dat
]
;B[er]CR[er]C[Kuudee [12k\]: -.-
]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[ds]CR[ds]
;W[cs]CR[cs]
;B[es]CR[es]C[Plunder2 [15k\]: but I still think akira is the guy that gains those goldy powers and than turns into a big blub
zedi [19k\]: hmm
Plunder2 [15k\]: goldy->godly
EmTom [12k?\]: yeah big blub lol
Karl [10k\]: ^ ^prolly 
grmaster [4k?\]: W has to try R3 
zeeke [10k\]: I like goldy better..
zedi [19k\]: d1 was bigger than n3 ??
Am [6d\]: that s mean the game is finished.......
Plunder2 [15k\]: mmmm
atlans [5d?\]: d1 
atlans [5d?\]: too small now
zedi [19k\]: oh, b still has a turn right?
Dita [6k\]: feels realy small yes
Plunder2 [15k\]: true, akira is whe white light guy, it was tetsuo who gained powers :P
Dita [6k\]: I would have played M4
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[om]CR[om]C[grmaster [4k?\]: ouch
]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[nl]CR[nl]C[Plunder2 [15k\]: how strong are the players?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: (Black) LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o. vs HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o.
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: 5 dan
]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: 6dan
Plunder2 [15k\]: tnx
grmaster [4k?\]: W destroys corner aji
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: yeah
OsoAgonar [13k\]: aji J8¿?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: and why that cut ... ?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: not the other?
]
;W[jp]CR[jp]C[forFun [?\]: will the semifinals and finals be broadcasted?
wygc [-\]: yes
elmo [8k\]: yes
TonyTiger [4k\]: yes
wygc [-\]: on friday
elmo [8k\]: friday
TonyTiger [4k\]: friday
]
;B[ip]CR[ip]C[bv4 [5k?\]: echo
EmTom [12k?\]: lets all type "friday"
Kuudee [12k\]: -.-
]
;W[kn]CR[kn]C[elmo [8k\]: semifinals at 9 AM, finals at 13:30  (GMT + 2)
]
;B[cr]CR[cr]C[bv4 [5k?\]: on friday?
Tartarichi [11k?\]: ¬¬
EmTom [12k?\]: o_O
elmo [8k\]: :-)
forFun [?\]: w must atari and extend 
grmaster [4k?\]: W can play crazy ko there
Nu0li [2k\]: how you get ko there
Tuncay [14k?\]: w can simply ignore it and tenuki. just 10 points. there are bigger places
EmTom [12k?\]: tuncay where?
Tuncay [14k?\]: N8 maybe
forFun [?\]: anyone count?
grmaster [4k?\]: B2 leads to ko probably
EmTom [12k?\]: n8? what for?
Nu0li [2k\]: b2 c3
Zabimaru [?\]: no ko i believe.
wygc [-\]: 25 min white, 40 min black
forFun [?\]: they play way too fast
Tuncay [14k?\]: some area over there
]
;W[ml]CR[ml]C[Plunder2 [15k\]: they play to fast?
EmTom [12k?\]: quite opened for b unfortunately
elmo [8k\]: I never seen a child playing slowly :-)
TonyTiger [4k\]: uh
Tuncay [14k?\]: wow. I must be 5d :)
atlans [5d?\]: you already 5d , Tun :)
]
;B[mh]CR[mh]C[Tuncay [14k?\]: heh
grmaster [4k?\]: yeah good call Tuncay
Karl [10k\]: u just have to let ur inner 5d aout
Plunder2 [15k\]: how long doest it take to become 5d?
zedi [19k\]: depends
Karl [10k\]: for some: forever
atlans [5d?\]: ^^
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: some years
Plunder2 [15k\]: =)
Plunder2 [15k\]: buying books and stuff?
Plunder2 [15k\]: and taking go very seriously?
Pempu [2k\]: just having the right attitude 
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: yeah
EmTom [12k?\]: very seriously
grmaster [4k?\]: O13 now?
Pempu [2k\]: books aren't that important
Pempu [2k\]: playing alot is 
Karl [10k\]: this isnt an american game, buying things alone wont get u nowhere ;)
elmo [8k\]: they study about 6 hours every day
Pempu [2k\]: solving problems helps too
elmo [8k\]: (go, i mean)
Plunder2 [15k\]: of course reading them also
Karl [10k\]: ^ ^
elmo [8k\]: 8 hours in school holidays
Plunder2 [15k\]: ^_^
MysticoN [14k\]: I play about 100-300 games a month
MysticoN [14k\]: ^^
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: 300?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: wow ...
Pempu [2k\]: if you have too much money then buy lessons from pros
Plunder2 [15k\]: maybe you have same problem as me
Karl [10k\]: too many, play less, do more tsumego
Pempu [2k\]: or from strong amateurs
MysticoN [14k\]: one time I reached 250 or so
TonyTiger [4k\]: I play 15 games a month 
Plunder2 [15k\]: not reading and playing to fast and thus no thinking =  no learning
Kuudee [12k\]: games isint allways the best thing toimprove
MysticoN [14k\]: maybe 100-250
EmTom [12k?\]: yeah me too
Nu0li [2k\]: i played 420 in first month.
OsoAgonar [13k\]: 30 games is good
MysticoN [14k\]: I review most of them
Zabimaru [?\]: hehe i've been playing blitz all my life =/
MysticoN [14k\]: going trough every move
Plunder2 [15k\]: I'm better @ blitz =)
EmTom [12k?\]: mysticon how much time you spend on these games?
MysticoN [14k\]: hm
TonyTiger [4k\]: I think that you should play both fast and slow games
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: kuudee until u reach 5 kyu i would just play a lot ... and mayb read "In the beginning" ...
MysticoN [14k\]: maybe 1 hour
MysticoN [14k\]: all depends
Tuncay [14k?\]: I believe blitz is a much better indicator of strength of your go-fu. it completely comes from inside of you, un-manipulated by thoughts
EmTom [12k?\]: 250 a month each for 1 hour :/
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[MysticoN [14k\]: blitz is waste of time
MysticoN [14k\]: not all are 1 hour
Pempu [2k\]: what is blitz?
MysticoN [14k\]: if I win by alot i dont play slow
Karl [10k\]: bad habbit
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[ExplO [11k\]: blitz = very fast games
FatJoe [-\]: pempu:  fast game
]
;W[ni]CR[ni]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: lol tun ... i think blitz is a fun game but it onlz has the rules in common whith normal go :S
Pade [12k?\]: pikapel
]
;B[bq]CR[bq]C[Pempu [2k\]: I have read that japanese inseis of the lower class play 5 games a day with timings of 10 minutes + 30 seconds byoyomi
]
;W[bp]CR[bp]C[MysticoN [14k\]: better to play simul games than blitz
Pempu [2k\]: higher level people only play 3 games
Tuncay [14k?\]: heh
Pempu [2k\]: or was it 10 games
]
;B[rl]CR[rl]C[MysticoN [14k\]: it isnt about playing many games
Kuudee [12k\]: MetryBlitz: oh :) i have readyt opening theory made easy, Fuseki Problems, Low kyu problems,middle kyu problems and some other books :)
]
;W[rk]CR[rk]C[Karl [10k\]: painful
]
;B[rm]CR[rm]C[Kuudee [12k\]: and i am still just 12k...
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: ^_^
Pempu [2k\]: amateurs don't play better with longer times really they just think longer and make the same mistakes 
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[em]CR[em]C[Am [6d\]: soon will be finish....
]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[ap]CR[ap]C[EmTom [12k?\]: Kuudee 12k isnt so bad ;))))
MysticoN [14k\]: best way is to get someone strong to play you
Pade [12k?\]: agree
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[bs]CR[bs]
;W[ao]CR[ao]
;B[aq]CR[aq]C[Kenshin15 [18k\]: but when no one plays go around you...
]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[MysticoN [14k\]: u have kgs
MysticoN [14k\]: ^^
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: ^_^
EmTom [12k?\]: well i think c2 was bigger than n8 :(
]
;W[mo]CR[mo]C[Kenshin15 [18k\]: ^^
Pempu [2k\]: internet is the saviour and problem books help alot
MysticoN [14k\]: Ive never played on a real go board
forFun [?\]: b wins easily
Karl [10k\]: you should, its much more fun
zedi [19k\]: i think its easier on computer
Karl [10k\]: on wood
Karl [10k\]: its different
Kuudee [12k\]: Mysticon: real board games are more fun :):)
MysticoN [14k\]: I can imagine that
]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[zedi [19k\]: i dont see many situations on real board'
OsoAgonar [13k\]: gobans are fantastics:)ç
zeeke [10k\]: plus you get to see your oponent sweat
MysticoN [14k\]: I think im goint to the norwegian championship this year
EmTom [12k?\]: yeah i cant see anything when i play on real goban :):)
zedi [19k\]: maybe because the stones arent places so symmetrically
MysticoN [14k\]: going*
Kenshin15 [18k\]: it's more difficult to read I think, on a screen you can see the shapes and intersections better
TonyTiger [4k\]: are there many players in norway?
MysticoN [14k\]: hm
MysticoN [14k\]: I think about 50-100
TonyTiger [4k\]: lucky bastard
Kuudee [12k\]: Mysticon: have you been in finland?
Karl [10k\]: i tent to see more on the real board, internet go leads to shallow thinking (for me)
]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[MysticoN [14k\]: no :(
Kuudee [12k\]: oh cos i have met one norwegian player who visited finland
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: myst ... u should come to oslo next easter ... nordic championship ;)
Kenshin15 [18k\]: you must be more used to real gobans Karl, aren't you?
EmTom [12k?\]: Karl that probably depends on whether you play a lot in the net or in "real world"
ExplO [11k\]: I found players who find it easier to play on real gobans
Karl [10k\]: i am, yes
MysticoN [14k\]: is about 5 - 10 real strong players in norway
TonyTiger [4k\]: I've only seen 2 norwegian players
zedi [19k\]: how many players are there in finland? a lot more than in norway i would think?
Kuudee [12k\]: he was way more stronger than me :D
MysticoN [14k\]: Finland is much bigger
MysticoN [14k\]: in go
MysticoN [14k\]: So is sweden
Kuudee [12k\]: Zedi: i think there is now more than 1000 players...
Karl [10k\]: norway is in oil... ^ ^
]
;B[op]CR[op]C[MysticoN [14k\]: norway doesnt have so many active go players
zedi [19k\]: ok
Kuudee [12k\]: Nuoli: was is it around that?
Nu0li [2k\]: i think maybe 500 active players in here Finland
MysticoN [14k\]: ^^
TonyTiger [4k\]: "active"
Kuudee [12k\]: but in ranking list there is more
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I wonder how go will become in 100 years : even more international, everyone knows the basics, like in chess now...?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: 50-60 here in denmark :S
Nu0li [2k\]: really
zedi [19k\]: kenshin i would hope so
jerokfor [2d?\]: I played on ein congress :)
Kenshin15 [18k\]: me too ^^
jerokfor [2d?\]: one in*
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[MysticoN [14k\]: I think Asia wants to promote many strong europeen players to pro
bv4 [5k?\]: chess is not that well known...
]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[MysticoN [14k\]: becuase they want to get go big in europe
]
;W[mi]CR[mi]C[TonyTiger [4k\]: I think chess is pretty well known
Kuudee [12k\]: i hope there will be more international Pro program :)
]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[MysticoN [14k\]: ive Heard america is discussing it now
MysticoN [14k\]: heard
Kuudee [12k\]: like you could get to be insei somewhere in europe
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I read somewhere something about children, some playing go, some not, some learning. It seems that the concentration required to play go modifies a child's behaviour completely
Ramza [9k\]: many ppl know "chess" but don t know how to play it
MysticoN [14k\]: chess is boring
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I thonk chess is weel-known, at least how to move the pieces 
Karl [10k\]: to the better or worse?
Kenshin15 [18k\]: to the better
MysticoN [14k\]: go is unique
Karl [10k\]: so is poker
Karl [10k\]: but 
Kenshin15 [18k\]: helps hyperactive children to become calmer
Karl [10k\]: go is more fun
]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[lj]CR[lj]C[Kuudee [12k\]: Kenshin15: really??
]
;B[ki]CR[ki]C[MysticoN [14k\]: go is prolly the hardest games on earth
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I read so
MysticoN [14k\]: thats what makes it so good
Zabimaru [?\]: S14 looks tempting
Kuudee [12k\]: heh if my baby comes hyper active  i know how to handle it :D
ExplO [11k\]: s14?
]
;W[ji]CR[ji]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: s14...
]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[MysticoN [14k\]: s 14 then black goes R14 
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: yeah and then u connect
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: S13 
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I've played several games : chess, cards games etc... and only go makes me want to study it and become strong at it ; I want to play great games
Kenshin15 [18k\]: lol Kuudee
Takuto [9k\]: hello, i just cam, who are plaiying?
Kuudee [12k\]: Mysticon: i dont really pic it that go is the hardest...cos is so hard to compare to other games
elmo [8k\]:  (Black) LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o. vs HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o.
Takuto [9k\]: thx
]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[io]CR[io]C[MysticoN [14k\]: I dont think any game can come to the level of go
Kenshin15 [18k\]: go is unique : is there another games so simple by the rules and so hard to master?
Kenshin15 [18k\]: (impossible to master)
]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[Kuudee [12k\]: :d
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]C[Kuudee [12k\]: that is true
MysticoN [14k\]: hm
wygc [-\]: (Black) LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o. vs HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. 
]
;B[ek]CR[ek]C[MysticoN [14k\]: isnt black way ahead ?
forFun [?\]: yup
TonyTiger [4k\]: it seems so yes
qsfqctgh: b good yose
Am [6d\]: very much////
]
;W[dj]CR[dj]C[TonyTiger [4k\]: any results from other games?
sicbanana [14k\]: blokus is a nice game with simple rules!"
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: about 60 points for black ... probably a bit less ...
OsoAgonar [13k\]: an spain boy (2d kgs) participe on wygc :)
]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[Seikan1190 [8k\]:  60 points ????? u crazy???
TonyTiger [4k\]: what is his kgs nick?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: and mayb 50 for white
wygc [-\]: results on http
Kenshin15 [18k\]: lol
OsoAgonar [13k\]: nanoc
wygc [-\]: wygc.aego.bziççiz
Seikan1190 [8k\]: ahh sorry
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]C[elmo [8k\]: nanoc
Am [6d\]: looks like more than 10 pnts...
]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Seikan1190 [8k\]: thought u saying black loosing by 50... lol
wygc [-\]: more info at http://wygc.aego.biz
Seikan1190 [8k\]: winning*
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: >_>
Kenshin15 [18k\]: SE says B+20
Ramza [9k\]: SE lol
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[forFun [?\]: when will 5th round results show?
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I know
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: b+10
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: i think
wygc [-\]: this evening
wygc [-\]: or at night
Kenshin15 [18k\]: but I don't know how to count properly so SE is my only help
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: -.-
zedi [19k\]: why not q17
furr [?\]: Did you skip math lessons?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: bad shape ? ^^
Kenshin15 [18k\]: not quite
Ramza [9k\]: the best thing you can do with SE is be able to count without it ^^
zedi [19k\]: what could white do?
Kenshin15 [18k\]: lol
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: white could ... risign^^
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: or play until the end
Tuncay [14k?\]: g12 maybe
OsoAgonar [13k\]: i think b+6
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: well i think right now b13 is biggest point ...
]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[bg]CR[bg]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: ^^
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: :)
Ramza [9k\]: n2?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: it was ^^
sicbanana [14k\]: is this live?
bv4 [5k?\]: m5?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: yes of course
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: what?
melonazo [12k\]: uisconnected
sicbanana [14k\]: oh
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: its connected ... ^^
elmo [8k\]: b+15 ?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: nah
OsoAgonar [13k\]: b+ 6 i said
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: rather +5 then +15
ExplO [11k\]: i bit less
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[MysticoN [14k\]: w have about 45-50 points ?
Zabimaru [?\]: there goes S14 aji :p
MysticoN [14k\]: plus komi
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: 55 maybe
]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[Harleqin [2k\]: yes
elmo [8k\]: i count 60 for black, 76 for white
ExplO [11k\]: ?
MysticoN [14k\]: 76 ?
qsfqctgh: lol
Seikan1190 [8k\]: u sure elmo? lol
OsoAgonar [13k\]: w 55
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: elmo ???
OsoAgonar [13k\]: or 56
wygc [-\]: al reves elmo
OsoAgonar [13k\]: tienes q aber contado
Am [6d\]: for me R14 is impressive.
OsoAgonar [13k\]: un grupo dos veces
elmo [8k\]: maybe im wrong, just telling what i counted :-)
]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[lr]CR[lr]C[bv4 [5k?\]: )
Tuncay [14k?\]: SE says B+5 and for once, it does look right :)
elmo [8k\]: oh, yes yes sorry, al reves XD
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[ExplO [11k\]: elmo are you sure it is not the other way round?
ExplO [11k\]: ok
OsoAgonar [13k\]: d todas maneras muxo
elmo [8k\]: so 60 for white, 76 for black :-)
OsoAgonar [13k\]: ^^
elmo [8k\]: sorry
]
;W[or]CR[or]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: b+4
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: tuncay it said b+20 short time ago ...
forFun [?\]: push very meaningless
Pempu [2k\]: jigo ;)
]
;B[pg]CR[pg]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: ^^
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[MysticoN [14k\]: white - 60 points i count now
qsfqctgh: anyway i found w game interesting
Kenshin15 [18k\]: nice move
]
;B[ps]CR[ps]C[qsfqctgh: fact is that b had a better yose
forFun [?\]: not the point
]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[lh]CR[lh]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: lol ... white had better jose -.-
]
;W[jg]CR[jg]C[forFun [?\]: black had the lead well before yose
]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: yeah
]
;B[af]CR[af]C[Kenshin15 [18k\]: P15 black?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: and now ... its becoming closer
Pinguschaf [4d\]: b is ahead i think
MysticoN [14k\]: black about 70 points
Tuncay [14k?\]: lol. SE killed the F13 group 
OsoAgonar [13k\]: i count 68
]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[elmo [8k\]: + komi Oso?
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: komi for black? oO?
Am [6d\]: what about w pnts?
elmo [8k\]: ooops XD
]
;W[be]CR[be]C[MysticoN [14k\]: I counted 60 points for white 
]
;B[nn]CR[nn]C[MysticoN [14k\]: maybe changed
MysticoN [14k\]: hm
]
;W[ln]CR[ln]C[MysticoN [14k\]: 62 ?
K3NNiE [3k?\]: lag?
]
;B[jo]CR[jo]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[lo]CR[lo]C[HipnoSapo [9k?\]: esto es en barcelona no?
]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[kk]CR[kk]C[elmo [8k\]: don't know.. seems 76 for w and 60 for b to me
]
;B[in]CR[in]
;W[im]CR[im]C[elmo [8k\]: si, en barcelona
]
;B[ej]CR[ej]C[HipnoSapo [9k?\]: y juegan por las tardes?
elmo [8k\]: a las 9 y a las 13:30
]
(;W[el]CR[el]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: 78 for B
])
(;W[ei]CR[ei]C[HipnoSapo [9k?\]: vaya, 
]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: mmm
gofool [1k\]: big win
elmo [8k\]: oops. the rong way again
]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[ck]CR[ck]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: i count 78 for B and 78 for W...
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: ^^
]
;B[ms]CR[ms]
;W[ns]CR[ns]
;B[ls]CR[ls]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[elmo [8k\]: 76 for b, 60 w, sorry sorry sorry
Kenshin15 [18k\]: lol 
OsoAgonar [13k\]: b d blanco^^ suele pasar
elmo [8k\]: yes :-)
]
;W[hh]CR[hh]C[Kenshin15 [18k\]: same in french : b = blanc
]
;B[gh]CR[gh]C[Plunder2 [15k\]: w G12?
]
;W[hf]CR[hf]C[Kenshin15 [18k\]: not black
]
;B[gg]CR[gg]C[elmo [8k\]: (in spanis, White is Blanco ) :-)
]
;W[fk]CR[fk]
;B[fl]CR[fl]C[elmo [8k\]: *spanish
Tuncay [14k?\]: W has lost a lot of points in these sentes
OsoAgonar [13k\]: +10 maybe
HipnoSapo [9k?\]: tambien puede ser dislexia
MysticoN [14k\]: I count 64 points 4 white
Plunder2 [15k\]: english gameroom
]
;W[sh]CR[sh]
;B[sg]CR[sg]C[elmo [8k\]: ?
]
;W[si]CR[si]C[MysticoN [14k\]: hm
]
;B[fa]CR[fa]C[MysticoN [14k\]: no
MysticoN [14k\]: 67
]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[ag]CR[ag]
;W[ah]CR[ah]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: 68
]
;B[mm]CR[mm]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: ^^
]
;W[lm]CR[lm]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: 67 now
]
;B[sk]CR[sk]
;W[sj]CR[sj]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: +11
]
;B[sl]CR[sl]C[forFun [?\]: how are the other games going?
Kenshin15 [18k\]: P16
]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[ii]CR[ii]C[HipnoSapo [9k?\]: cuentas el komi oso?
]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[kg]CR[kg]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: sip
Kenshin15 [18k\]: P15 :p
]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[if]CR[if]C[Ramza [9k\]: P15?
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[nr]CR[nr]C[Ramza [9k\]: ^^
Kenshin15 [18k\]: black
OsoAgonar [13k\]: its no points there^^
]
;B[le]CR[le]C[MeTryBlitz [5k\]: b+8.5 ;)
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: i think^^
llk [11k\]: P15 & P16 no point
OsoAgonar [13k\]: b+11 i think
]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[os]CR[os]
;W[nh]CR[nh]C[OsoAgonar [13k\]: mm or +12
Kenshin15 [18k\]: oh ok
]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[me]CR[me]C[HausLapar [15k?\]: komi = 8 ? is this true ?
Fajnymis [5k\]: b75 w 71
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[Ramza [9k\]: Oso you didn t refresh SE enough :p
Karl [10k\]: did myou count according to the ing-rules?
wygc [-\]: pass,pass
zedi [19k\]: why are they filling so much?
Karl [10k\]: se doesnt do ing afaik
gofool [1k\]: 5d win?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: what is SE
elmo [8k\]: ing rules, dames are points
melonazo [12k\]: because is  real board
forFun [?\]: b win 13
melonazo [12k\]: to count better
furr [?\]: ing rules. every stone is a point or something
OsoAgonar [13k\]: he is 5d from china
Karl [10k\]: no, because they're points
gorka [27k?\]: b win 12
OsoAgonar [13k\]: vs 6d from japan
MysticoN [14k\]: b 12 points ahead
forFun [?\]: b win 13
zedi [19k\]: oh, chinese rules?
gofool [1k\]: win many
forFun [?\]: ing rules
Karl [10k\]: ING-RULES
Karl [10k\]: srry caps
OsoAgonar [13k\]: chinese 5d is stronger than a japanese 6d
forFun [?\]: obviously
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: w has 61.5 n black 72 ?
OsoAgonar [13k\]: komi is 8
MysticoN [14k\]: is no .5
OsoAgonar [13k\]: 61,5 imposible
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: well its 62
FatJoe [-\]: 7.5
furr [?\]: pro ranks?
zedi [19k\]: so black could play r1 and it wouldnt cost him anything?
Plunder2 [15k\]: no half point komi
wygc [-\]: B+13
elmo [8k\]: amateur ranks
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: but black wins jigo
wygc [-\]: thanks everybody for your present here
FatJoe [-\]: yes, because if its tie black wins. so komi is 7.5
Kenshin15 [18k\]: thanks for the broadcast, wygc
MeTryBlitz [5k\]: ^_^
wygc [-\]: see you on friday at 9:00 GMT+2
Karl [10k\]: ThX
elmo [8k\]: good job feny ;-)
furr [?\]: cheers wygc
wygc [-\]: we will broadcast 2 semifinals
Ents [12k\]: thx wygc..
Tuncay [14k?\]: thank you
Ari [?\]: bona feina :D
wygc [-\]: maybe one junior and one senior
Xikkuh [16k\]: thx
sicbanana [14k\]: 111 nad 10 years!
sicbanana [14k\]: 11
sicbanana [14k\]: pretty nifty :)
TonyTiger [4k\]: no results from other games?
forFun [?\]: yes, any results?
TonyTiger [4k\]: from other ongoing games
elmo [8k\]: more info at http://aego.biz/wp
Liutasil [7k\]: who won?
elmo [8k\]: black by 13 
Am [6d\]: green.
Liutasil [7k\]: lol^^
Liutasil [7k\]: who was black?
elmo [8k\]: chinesse boy is undefeated
Am [6d\]: chi
Liutasil [7k\]: thx^^
Liutasil [7k\]: undefeaded amazing!
elmo [8k\]: black: LIAO Xing Wen (CN) 
elmo [8k\]: 5d, 11 y.o.
elmo [8k\]: white:  Hoshi Takayuki (JP)  10 y.o.
elmo [8k\]: 6d
]))